Lou Dobbs of CNN and Dean Martin (R), Arizona State Senator.
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LOU DOBBS TONIGHT Arizona State Legislators Debating Whether To Withhold Federal Tax Dollars Aired February 14, 2006 - 18:00 ET |
DOBBS: You can call it the Boston Tea Party Phoenix, Arizona style. Arizona
says its residents are paying billions in federal tax dollars without receiving
any protection from the federal government on border security in return.
Tonight, Arizona state legislators are debating whether to withhold federal tax
dollars to win Washington's attention.
Arizona State Senator Dean Martin, the sponsor of this tax revolt bill, joins us
tonight from Phoenix to explain the plan. And what in the world are you doing,
diverting IRS dollars to the state?
DEAN MARTIN (R), ARIZONA STATE SENATOR: Well, the plan is, is everyone who would
pay their normal federal income tax, they just send the checks to the state of
Arizona. We'd aggregate that amount, and subtract out our costs for illegal
immigration, and forward on the balance to the federal government.
DOBBS: Have you checked to see whether or not this is legal?
MARTIN: Well, the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution gives the states the
authority for anything that's not delegated in the Constitution. The 16th
Amendment gives the federal government the right to collect an income tax.
However, it does not specify how. And so, we're going to redefine that, that the
50 states shall collect it for them, and deduct out any federal mandates.
DOBBS: It's an interesting concept, since federal government is doing absolutely
nothing in terms of enforcing immigration law, and is woefully inadequate in
providing border security. Other states could follow your lead. But first, how
much support is there within the Arizona state legislature for what you are
advocating?
MARTIN: Very strong support. As it comes out here, we are looking at $1.3
billion -- and we're a small state, our whole budget is about $8 billion -- in
uncompensated costs for illegal immigration, in health care, education and
incarceration.
And so we spend $25 billion that our citizens give to the federal government,
and they can't individually fight the federal government, but the state's
basically saying we're going to come in there and fight for you.
DOBBS: Has your legislation now passed committee?
MARTIN: If passed out of the Finance Committee last week, and is moving towards
the floor.
DOBBS: And what is your sense of the support that you will enjoy there?
MARTIN: I believe we'll have the support on the floor. I hope to move it out
here in the next month, and hopefully get it through the House and up to the
governor's desk in time for April 15th.
DOBBS: Well, Governor Napolitano declared a border emergency in your state. Is
it your sense that she would support you?
MARTIN: Well, I would sincerely hope so. She declared a state of emergency, but
didn't do anything. She asked the federal government -- she actually sent them a
bill, and they didn't pay it, for illegal immigration. So we're kind of looking
at this as well. We're taking the federal government to collections.
DOBBS: Well, Senator Martin, we thank you very much and we appreciate you being
here and wish you luck.
MARTIN: Thank you.